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		<title>Comment on There should be a word for this (Blog/Twitter edition) by burShigi</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1036#comment-4163</link>
		<dc:creator>burShigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;blocrastination&quot; is too much of a mouthful, and the longer of the two words really shouldn&#039;t remain in its entirety, I would rather it was &quot;blogstination&quot; (with out the &quot;g&quot; would be fine too)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;blocrastination&#8221; is too much of a mouthful, and the longer of the two words really shouldn&#8217;t remain in its entirety, I would rather it was &#8220;blogstination&#8221; (with out the &#8220;g&#8221; would be fine too)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good-bye Oracle by Van Wiles</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2019#comment-4138</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Wiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi William,

I thought about you today when FB announced their new &quot;Graph Search&quot;.  I could imagine how you must have reacted, particularly now that you are at Google.  I hope you are enjoying life in the clouds!

As for me I am taking it a little easier working for a contractor from my home office.  Best wishes!

Van Wiles]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi William,</p>
<p>I thought about you today when FB announced their new &#8220;Graph Search&#8221;.  I could imagine how you must have reacted, particularly now that you are at Google.  I hope you are enjoying life in the clouds!</p>
<p>As for me I am taking it a little easier working for a contractor from my home office.  Best wishes!</p>
<p>Van Wiles</p>
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		<title>Comment on Big Data career adviser says you should be a&#8230; Big Data analyst by James Bayer</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2072#comment-4032</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a simple rule - do something you love and are passionate about. Usually the rest will take care of itself. Not all careers have the same $ value, but life is short, so you should like your job a lot. I&#039;m fortunate to work in an area that highly values my interest in technology. I&#039;d hate to go to work uninspired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a simple rule &#8211; do something you love and are passionate about. Usually the rest will take care of itself. Not all careers have the same $ value, but life is short, so you should like your job a lot. I&#8217;m fortunate to work in an area that highly values my interest in technology. I&#8217;d hate to go to work uninspired.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Joining Google by Roel Abatayo</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2027#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>Roel Abatayo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 03:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, congratulations! Google is probably one of my &quot;ultimate&quot; destination for a career/job.

I have been a lurker of this blog for quite some time, being an early fan of Cloud and SaaS (I didn&#039;t know it was called SaaS when we started adopting the idea and developed business software way back in 2002).

For a country like the Philippines, SaaS and Cloud platform is the perfect solution for majority of businesses including government.

I remembered when I started talking about this idea as early as 7 years ago with many of my clients (Oracle and traditional ERP users) and prospects, they were enthusiastic, however, solid applications/solutions were not available back then.

Today this is already becoming popular, and with good SaaS/Cloud applications, there is a huge potential market here as well.

Keep up the very informative posts.

Cheers,
Roel
Philippines]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, congratulations! Google is probably one of my &#8220;ultimate&#8221; destination for a career/job.</p>
<p>I have been a lurker of this blog for quite some time, being an early fan of Cloud and SaaS (I didn&#8217;t know it was called SaaS when we started adopting the idea and developed business software way back in 2002).</p>
<p>For a country like the Philippines, SaaS and Cloud platform is the perfect solution for majority of businesses including government.</p>
<p>I remembered when I started talking about this idea as early as 7 years ago with many of my clients (Oracle and traditional ERP users) and prospects, they were enthusiastic, however, solid applications/solutions were not available back then.</p>
<p>Today this is already becoming popular, and with good SaaS/Cloud applications, there is a huge potential market here as well.</p>
<p>Keep up the very informative posts.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Roel<br />
Philippines</p>
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		<title>Comment on The enterprise Cloud battle will be an integration battle by Stu</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2051#comment-3934</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[William,

First off, congratulations on your move.    

I agree completely, integration-as-the-application is something I&#039;ve been following since 2008 when I jumped into cloud , figuring it would start to bubble as a problem around ... 2012-ish.  And it&#039;s been a concern even further back really, dating back to Alan Kay&#039;s email almost 15 years ago, i.e.  http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AlanKayOnMessaging 

I think a new iteration of the Web architecture is how we deal with this challenge, but a ton of work remains, as we are only know beginning to ask the right questions, let alone having the answers.

One specific, you say: &quot;Even if application vendors exposed good HTTP/REST APIs for their data, you don’t want to run Big Data analysis over these remote APIs.&quot;

BitTorrent perhaps shows us the way.   Web/REST is the control plane to the Torrent architecture, where the high-throughput multi-party transfer occurs.    It can work the same way for Big Data analysis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>First off, congratulations on your move.    </p>
<p>I agree completely, integration-as-the-application is something I&#8217;ve been following since 2008 when I jumped into cloud , figuring it would start to bubble as a problem around &#8230; 2012-ish.  And it&#8217;s been a concern even further back really, dating back to Alan Kay&#8217;s email almost 15 years ago, i.e.  <a href="http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AlanKayOnMessaging" rel="nofollow">http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AlanKayOnMessaging</a> </p>
<p>I think a new iteration of the Web architecture is how we deal with this challenge, but a ton of work remains, as we are only know beginning to ask the right questions, let alone having the answers.</p>
<p>One specific, you say: &#8220;Even if application vendors exposed good HTTP/REST APIs for their data, you don’t want to run Big Data analysis over these remote APIs.&#8221;</p>
<p>BitTorrent perhaps shows us the way.   Web/REST is the control plane to the Torrent architecture, where the high-throughput multi-party transfer occurs.    It can work the same way for Big Data analysis.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The enterprise Cloud battle will be an integration battle by The Next Leap in the Evolution of Enterprise Software &#124; Hubba</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2051#comment-3907</link>
		<dc:creator>The Next Leap in the Evolution of Enterprise Software &#124; Hubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The enterprise Cloud battle will be an integration battle by Mike Kelly</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2051#comment-3900</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi William,

This article really resonated with me.. I&#039;m currently working on a platform that provides webhook delivery as a service, and wrote up an article describing a new approach to webhooks we have come up with for integration scenarios called &quot;templated webhooks&quot;. Here&#039;s the article:

http://webgun.io/articles/templated-webhooks

Love to hear your thoughts

@mikekelly85
@webgun_io

Cheers,
Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi William,</p>
<p>This article really resonated with me.. I&#8217;m currently working on a platform that provides webhook delivery as a service, and wrote up an article describing a new approach to webhooks we have come up with for integration scenarios called &#8220;templated webhooks&#8221;. Here&#8217;s the article:</p>
<p><a href="http://webgun.io/articles/templated-webhooks" rel="nofollow">http://webgun.io/articles/templated-webhooks</a></p>
<p>Love to hear your thoughts</p>
<p>@mikekelly85<br />
@webgun_io</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on The enterprise Cloud battle will be an integration battle by Integration is gonna be a problem for cloud &#124; Coté&#039;s Drunk &#38; Retired</title>
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		<dc:creator>Integration is gonna be a problem for cloud &#124; Coté&#039;s Drunk &#38; Retired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The enterprise Cloud battle will be an integration battle by Ravi Pinto</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2051#comment-3890</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Pinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moreover, the question of access controls for the data is not an easy one to solve IMHO. App A may not (rather will not) want to share all data with App B. Furthermore, with different users within App B, the data shared may be different (according to their role). 
Apart from this, how much leverage customer will really have with the cloud vendor to ensure that their apps are located in close proximity? What if the SaaS vendor has its own cloud?
I don&#039;t think there are easy answers here. BTW, I don&#039;t think we know all the questions in the first place!
But, good to see relevant new posts from you, William!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moreover, the question of access controls for the data is not an easy one to solve IMHO. App A may not (rather will not) want to share all data with App B. Furthermore, with different users within App B, the data shared may be different (according to their role).<br />
Apart from this, how much leverage customer will really have with the cloud vendor to ensure that their apps are located in close proximity? What if the SaaS vendor has its own cloud?<br />
I don&#8217;t think there are easy answers here. BTW, I don&#8217;t think we know all the questions in the first place!<br />
But, good to see relevant new posts from you, William!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The enterprise Cloud battle will be an integration battle by Distributed Weekly 176 &#8212; Scott Banwart&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2051#comment-3883</link>
		<dc:creator>Distributed Weekly 176 &#8212; Scott Banwart&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The enterprise Cloud battle will be an integration battle by Eric Pulier</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2051#comment-3876</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Pulier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[William, good post. I like your analysis of the challenge facing enterprise software vendors and the inevitable problem for both vendor and customer as more applications are delivered as SaaS. The vendor wants to own the glue to retain some degree of lock-in and control, and the enterprise (while they want the opposite in terms of lock-in) needs to have their applications integrated and often cannot achieve that between geographically distributed systems because of latency, security, cost of moving data, and other issues. The remedy you propose to the solution, however, while technically sound can only make sense for the foreseeable future for small to mid-sized companies. Enterprise companies, particularly highly regulated organizations, are constrained from running many systems on shared public infrastructure. Even if they overcome the technical and psychological challenges of shifting to this model, the regulatory bodies will lag far behind them. Therefore, alternate strategies for integration will be needed for quite some time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, good post. I like your analysis of the challenge facing enterprise software vendors and the inevitable problem for both vendor and customer as more applications are delivered as SaaS. The vendor wants to own the glue to retain some degree of lock-in and control, and the enterprise (while they want the opposite in terms of lock-in) needs to have their applications integrated and often cannot achieve that between geographically distributed systems because of latency, security, cost of moving data, and other issues. The remedy you propose to the solution, however, while technically sound can only make sense for the foreseeable future for small to mid-sized companies. Enterprise companies, particularly highly regulated organizations, are constrained from running many systems on shared public infrastructure. Even if they overcome the technical and psychological challenges of shifting to this model, the regulatory bodies will lag far behind them. Therefore, alternate strategies for integration will be needed for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The enterprise Cloud battle will be an integration battle by &#187; Will Clouds run on Clouds? Cloud Comedy, Cloud Tragedy</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2051#comment-3874</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Will Clouds run on Clouds? Cloud Comedy, Cloud Tragedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Any other reason? Will enterprise Solution Cloud always run on their own infrastructure? The end result probably hinges a lot on whether, once it fully moves to a Cloud delivery model, the enterprise SaaS landscape is as concentrated as the traditional enterprise application landscape was, or whether the move to Cloud opens the door to a more diverse ecosystem. The answer to this hinges, in turn, on Cloud application integration, which will be the topic of the next post. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Any other reason? Will enterprise Solution Cloud always run on their own infrastructure? The end result probably hinges a lot on whether, once it fully moves to a Cloud delivery model, the enterprise SaaS landscape is as concentrated as the traditional enterprise application landscape was, or whether the move to Cloud opens the door to a more diverse ecosystem. The answer to this hinges, in turn, on Cloud application integration, which will be the topic of the next post. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will Clouds run on Clouds? by Jack Bezalel</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2041#comment-3851</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Bezalel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 07:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points and interesting subject! Two more considerations could be:
1. Risk of having your strategic assets relaying on someone else&#039;s infrastructure, given competitive issues arise
2. Regulation, availability or funcionality the deployment cloud cannot provide

Yours

Jack]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points and interesting subject! Two more considerations could be:<br />
1. Risk of having your strategic assets relaying on someone else&#8217;s infrastructure, given competitive issues arise<br />
2. Regulation, availability or funcionality the deployment cloud cannot provide</p>
<p>Yours</p>
<p>Jack</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Freeing SaaS from Cloud&#8221;: slides and notes from Cloud Connect keynote by &#187; Will Clouds run on Clouds? Cloud Comedy, Cloud Tragedy</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1355#comment-3848</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Will Clouds run on Clouds? Cloud Comedy, Cloud Tragedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] we shouldn&#8217;t include SaaS in the “Cloud” (rather, it&#8217;s just Web apps). Obvioulsy my guillotine didn&#8217;t cut it against the lure of Cloud-branding. Fine, then let&#8217;s agree that we have [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we shouldn&#8217;t include SaaS in the “Cloud” (rather, it&#8217;s just Web apps). Obvioulsy my guillotine didn&#8217;t cut it against the lure of Cloud-branding. Fine, then let&#8217;s agree that we have [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Joining Google by Francois</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2027#comment-3845</link>
		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congrats! Somehow Google was my guess. Another strong reason to keep recommending your blog to my students.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats! Somehow Google was my guess. Another strong reason to keep recommending your blog to my students.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Joining Google by Raghav Tripathi</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2027#comment-3843</link>
		<dc:creator>Raghav Tripathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 00:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great news William! Congratulations on the new job. Looking forward to more exciting stuff on your blog]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news William! Congratulations on the new job. Looking forward to more exciting stuff on your blog</p>
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		<title>Comment on Joining Google by Emmanuel de la Gardette</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2027#comment-3836</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel de la Gardette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 06:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Félicitation guillaume,

Si nous n&#039;avons pas eu l&#039;occasion de travailler ensemble chez Oracle, j&#039;espère que ce la sera peut être le cas chez Google.

Bonne chance

Emmanuel]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Félicitation guillaume,</p>
<p>Si nous n&#8217;avons pas eu l&#8217;occasion de travailler ensemble chez Oracle, j&#8217;espère que ce la sera peut être le cas chez Google.</p>
<p>Bonne chance</p>
<p>Emmanuel</p>
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		<title>Comment on Joining Google by Ludovic Champenois</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2027#comment-3834</link>
		<dc:creator>Ludovic Champenois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congrats for the big move,  keep this blog running, and your funny tweets!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats for the big move,  keep this blog running, and your funny tweets!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Joining Google by Mike Amundsen</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2027#comment-3833</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Amundsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[two things:

1 - congrats to you. Google is lucky to have you and I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll do great things there.

2 - re: the transformations - hypermedia, my friend. not just for apps, not but for infrastructure, too. loosely-connected, time-shifting, distributed systems send instructions w/ their data (ie. DNA/RNA). we can, too.

Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two things:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; congrats to you. Google is lucky to have you and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll do great things there.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; re: the transformations &#8211; hypermedia, my friend. not just for apps, not but for infrastructure, too. loosely-connected, time-shifting, distributed systems send instructions w/ their data (ie. DNA/RNA). we can, too.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Joining Google by Arul Dhesiaseelan</title>
		<link>http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/2027#comment-3832</link>
		<dc:creator>Arul Dhesiaseelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations on your new job. Keep entertaining us with your All things Cloud!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on your new job. Keep entertaining us with your All things Cloud!</p>
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