“Paranoia is not classy….”

Thats rich coming from a guy that refers to everything else as “bloatware” “chubby” and that has never encouraged any level competition in his own playground by discounting standardization and then when he decides he needs to milks the cow turns away from open source and standards.

Why would I be paranoid. I have never come across Hyperic in any customer account or vendor shoot off with regard to performance management and runtime diagnostics. This is not their area though that is not to say they do not think differently.

“Btw don’t you think it’s rather sexist? Especially as the lead of AMS happens to be a female developer…”

What has sex that go to do with the quality assessment of a product design and implementation and whether it is fit for purpose? It could be designed and developed by a bunch of monkeys and that would not change my opinion. I really do not get you on this one. What did I miss? Maybe I am fortunate enough to have never had such an obvious geek view on females working in the industry. Do you honestly think Jennifer likes you defending her work by directly referencing her sex? Did you not already break some US employment law by this?

By the way I did not comment directly on Jennifer’s blog entry because she focused on the product and less on what you refer to as the “bloatware” of other vendors. But when someone like you Rodney twists the truth to suit your own personal “acquire me now because summer is coming” agenda and slangs off “others” which includes my life work then you better be prepared for a reality check.

William

Your Spring and SpringSource bashing is getting tedious. Such a coincidence that it has started only since you perceived SpringSource AMS as competition for your JXInsight product, and obviously set a Google alert for SpringSource AMS so that you could be sure not to forget to attack it wherever it was mentioned.

Quote: “Why would a developer not simply fire up a debugger, profiler, or performance management solution that provides more information relevant to a developer (http://blog.jinspired.com/?p=167).” William, would it not have been more honest to mention that this was a link to your product, and that you’re hardly an unbiased observer?

If you want to make money by selling monitoring solutions to the Spring community (which it’s evident from that link you hope to do–and nothing wrong with that), I would suggest that attacking the folk who develop Spring and built that community is not smart. Also, paranoia is not classy. I would encourage anyone to read the InfoQ thread you linked to and judge which of us is being reasonable, and which is indulging in rather pathetic insults. “Fanboy base” is a new one–keep inventing them, it makes my day. Btw don’t you think it’s rather sexist? Especially as the lead of AMS happens to be a female developer…

Rgds
Rod

Yes I doubt this will have any real value to operations but when you have “no insight” with your standard IT management solution then the view of senior management will be “anything is better than nothing”. I think that is what the SpringSource (commercial) company is counting on as well as appearing to fill out their commercial offering with trinkets.

I am not saying that there are no alternatives on the market. There are and they are much better and with less overhead and not pinned to one particular technology stack other than the runtime itself. But when you [SpringSource] are in the door via the fanboy base you can paint a different picture to management (”our subscription based solution is the only solution on the market, trust us…..”) of the market place.

The SpringSource team are obviously trying to milk the cow and being open to integration (and replacement) is not part of that plan.
http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/12/springsource-support#view_15642

With regard to the multitude of dashboards I can’t helping feeling that there has not been any real innovation in this area. The open source solutions which claim to be innovative seem to replicate the feature and look of previous generation of tools and the only thing different is when the real cost is incurred. I have been working on a new visual language for dashboards which I think should change things but I will have to wait and see how acceptable this new approach is when we will demo it at JavaOne.

William

I do not think it is designed for developers. I find it hard to believe that a developer would install a whole separate management server and then agent on a machine and then use a browser connected to the server connected to the agent to get a glimpse at some metrics through all the obvious chart junk (garnish colors and low data to ink ratio) in the dashboard. Why would a developer not simply fire up a debugger, profiler, or performance management solution that provides more information relevant to a developer (http://blog.jinspired.com/?p=167).

AMS is intended to be sold to operations. Whether it is the right solution is another question. A much more interesting question is what are operations going to do with all those separately branded (coloring, graphics, plugins) hyperic dashboards for each new open source solution that picks this open source system availability management solution? Will they pay for each one in turn? Which color wins when their is clash?

Ideally the AMS team should have focused on merely marking execution points and leaving the measurement and analysis to the application performance management experts but that is not a product you can sell.