Comments on: PaaS as the path to MDA? http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1173 William Vambenepe's stage Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:33:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Stu http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1173#comment-721 Stu Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:13:07 +0000 http://stage.vambenepe.com/?p=1173#comment-721 Oh, absolutely. It's disheartening. In my darker moods, I liken it to the problem devs still have with RDBMS design 30 years later, and the snickers about higher normal forms being useless or a think of the past. Technological function in-the-small becomes the apotheosis, trampling form, or design-in-the-large. Logic is hard, let's go shopping! In my lighter moods, I look at the progress being made on open linked data, and the underlying technology, and get that these things take a long time to find their tipping point, so long as steady progress is being made. Oh, absolutely. It’s disheartening. In my darker moods, I liken it to the problem devs still have with RDBMS design 30 years later, and the snickers about higher normal forms being useless or a think of the past. Technological function in-the-small becomes the apotheosis, trampling form, or design-in-the-large. Logic is hard, let’s go shopping!

In my lighter moods, I look at the progress being made on open linked data, and the underlying technology, and get that these things take a long time to find their tipping point, so long as steady progress is being made.

]]> By: William (@vambenepe on Twitter) http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1173#comment-720 William (@vambenepe on Twitter) Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:49:04 +0000 http://stage.vambenepe.com/?p=1173#comment-720 Good points Stu. To your last sentence, I can't keep adding: "just like with the semantic web". Good points Stu. To your last sentence, I can’t keep adding: “just like with the semantic web”.

]]> By: Stu http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1173#comment-719 Stu Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:53:02 +0000 http://stage.vambenepe.com/?p=1173#comment-719 Yeah, this insight was, in part, the idea behind EDML and ECML. EDML was your PSM, ECML was your PIM. In practice today it's not quite that clean, but it's mostly true. At the last OMG meeting in December, there was an attempt to drum up interest on Cloud Modelling for MDA at the end of the Cloud Interoperability Workshop, but there wasn't a lot of demand. I did present our progress to date, but I think maturity is stuck on the "wow, can't we just have a standard API"? level. I also presented my angle on Cloud + MDA to the SoaML working group in Spring 2009, and Arne Berre (the SoaML lead) was the organizer for the OOPSLA Cloud Design workshop I presented at so ... someone is hopefully thinking about it. Outside of the OMG, the thing I've noticed in my evangelism / conference talks is that there is a *lot* of religion lurking here. Mention the word modelling, or MDA, and a portion of your audience will basically leave the room and label you as "one of THOSE people". If you say something more benign and confusing like "orchestration with machine-readable documents", or "data-driven, multi-cloud automation", people keep listening. Yeah, this insight was, in part, the idea behind EDML and ECML. EDML was your PSM, ECML was your PIM. In practice today it’s not quite that clean, but it’s mostly true.

At the last OMG meeting in December, there was an attempt to drum up interest on Cloud Modelling for MDA at the end of the Cloud Interoperability Workshop, but there wasn’t a lot of demand. I did present our progress to date, but I think maturity is stuck on the “wow, can’t we just have a standard API”? level. I also presented my angle on Cloud + MDA to the SoaML working group in Spring 2009, and Arne Berre (the SoaML lead) was the organizer for the OOPSLA Cloud Design workshop I presented at so … someone is hopefully thinking about it.

Outside of the OMG, the thing I’ve noticed in my evangelism / conference talks is that there is a *lot* of religion lurking here. Mention the word modelling, or MDA, and a portion of your audience will basically leave the room and label you as “one of THOSE people”. If you say something more benign and confusing like “orchestration with machine-readable documents”, or “data-driven, multi-cloud automation”, people keep listening.

]]> By: Shlomo http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1173#comment-718 Shlomo Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:40:10 +0000 http://stage.vambenepe.com/?p=1173#comment-718 William - Thanks again for an eye-opening post. I had no idea so many other communities were grappling with these problems! Now I've got plenty of research to do. Sleep be darned. William – Thanks again for an eye-opening post. I had no idea so many other communities were grappling with these problems! Now I’ve got plenty of research to do. Sleep be darned.

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